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The "I'm a real man" fiasco&nbsp;
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When get get over 700 people on a mailing list, there are bound to be little
"spats" occasionally - what I like about SHOtimes it that it (usually)
handles these "problems" better than other lists I've seen.&nbsp; While
others may resort to plain old name calling, the continued creativity of
the SHOtimes membership continues to amaze me....&nbsp; For a example,
see the below - the names have been removed to (slightly) protect the guilty
- if you really want to know, check the <A HREF="http://listserv.american.edu/archives/shotimes-l.html">archives</A>
- little do people (like the original author below) realize that a post
they make to the list is indeed not only going to the entire membership
of the list, but is also being archived for "future reference".&nbsp; ;-)

<P>Original message :
<UL>You know, when I joined this list, I was under the impression that
it was a bunch of gearheads with nice cars that had experience WORKING
on their cars. You know the kind of guy...... that one that doesn't have
to cry over every little thing, one who can get under his car and change
the oil, repair the exhaust bracket, change his own brakes, ect. But unfortunately
what I have found is out of the 550? receiptants of the list mail, there
are only maybe 5-10 REAL car nuts or Real Men in here.&nbsp; The rest of
you and you know who you are, are a bunch of tree hugging, crybabying,
panty waist liberals that couldn't accomplish a flat repair. It is unbelievable
that several of you even have the brains to come in out of the rain.&nbsp;
Now I am not talking about the younger guys who are just learning. I am
talking about those of you who have to put your company name as your&nbsp;
sign off address, brag about how great you are, cut someone down with every
post, have only "what you read" as the basis for every argument, ect. .......(I
make or break asswipes like you all day, every day). You people are the
same ones that act like your a BIG fan of your local sports team only when
it's "hip" to do so and don't have a clue as to who or what the team has
done when nobody else was bragging about the team. In other words YOUR
FAKE. If you would get your snob ass out of the books and stop thinking
you are so God Damn smart and get out there and do the job yourself you
might get some respect. Until then keep your mouth shut and just drive
your car....when it breaks go buy a different one.</UL>

<UL>I am very sorry that those of you that ARE intelligent car owners had
to listen to me rant and rave but I have just got sick and tired of some
dickhead telling me what is best for me because he read it somewhere. Owning
a SHO as well as any hot rod, sports car or other streetable fast vehicle
MEANS pulling holeshots at stop lights, jamming gears down the public street,
sitting in a parking lot late at night talking with other car heads and
several other things that GO WITH owning a quick machine. You liberal panty
waist people better hope the world as we now know it doesn't end in your
lifetime, because the real men that know how to survive are gonna kick
your ass to the curb and book smarts with no common sense won't be feeding
you then and you won't be able to buy your way out of it either.</UL>

<UL>This is my last posting to this list but I am going to monitor, for
my own expanded knowledge, the tech advise. I am sure several of the REAL
gearheads who take pride in their cars because they work on it, learn about
it and get a close relationship with what real work is can fully agree
with me. The rest of you......well don't walk out into the street in front
of me.&nbsp; For those of you real gearheads...It has been great listening
and learning from all of you and I hope someday there is a list where your
knowledge and appreciation for a fine automobile can been discussed in
a Real Shadetree Mechanic format without the sissies of this list interfering.

<P>John &amp; Jane Doe
<BR>93 ATX "stock"</UL>
which prompted the usual barrage of replies, the quickest of which was
<UL>I'm sick and tired of ordinary people being told that they're sick
and tired of being told that they're sick and tired.&nbsp; I'm certainly
not and I'm sick and tired of being told that I am.</UL>
and from someone who went to the trouble to actually create a bogus mail
account and sign it up to the list before posting their message (thanks
for all the bounces, whomever you are!)
<UL>>bracket, change his own brakes, ect. But unfortunately what I have
found is
<BR>>out of the 550? receiptants of the list mail, there are only maybe
5-10REAL
<BR>>car nuts or Real Men in here.</UL>

<UL>Real men don't have wives.&nbsp; Real men don't own homes.&nbsp; Real
men own horses, eat chili for breakfast and drink jet fuel.&nbsp; Real
men have a picture of John Wayne over the commode and a stack of magazines
next to it.&nbsp; Real men wrestle alligators and hunt deer without weapons.
And most of all, real men have at least taken one grammar course.

<P>>The rest of you and you know who you are, are a bunch of tree hugging,
cry
<BR>>babying, panty waist liberals that couldn't accomplish a flat repair.
It is

<P>I suppose you use sissy wrenches and sockets to work on your car.&nbsp;
I only use vise grips and my teeth, 'cause I'm a real man.

<P>>unbelievable that several of you even have the brains to come in out
of the
<BR>>rain.&nbsp; Now I am not talking about the younger guys who are just
learning. I am

<P>Sissies get out of the rain.&nbsp; I ride my Harley behind a semi without
a helmet in a downpour, 'cause I'm a real man.

<P>>break asswipes like you all day, every day). You people are the same
ones that
<BR>>act like your a BIG fan of your local sports team only when it's "hip"
to do
<BR>>so and don't have a clue as to who or what the team has done when
nobody else

<P>I just bought 10 years worth of season tickets for the Denver Nuggets,
'cause I'm a real man.

<P>>telling me what is best for me because he read it somewhere. Owning
a SHO as
<BR>>well as any hot rod, sports car or other streetable fast vehicle MEANS
pulling
<BR>>holeshots at stop lights, jamming gears down the public street, sitting
in a

<P>Please explain how you jam gears down the street in your ATX. You also
probably use the pansy power windows of your SHO.&nbsp; I put hand cranks
in, 'cause I'm a real man.

<P>Signed,
<BR>A Real Man</UL>
which prompted (from another member)
<UL>> I suppose you use sissy wrenches and sockets to work on your car.
<BR>> I only use vise grips and my teeth, 'cause I'm a real man.

<P>That's nothing.&nbsp; I used my bare hands until all of the flesh was
torn away, then had my bones ground into the shape of hex heads for better
grip.

<P>> Sissies get out of the rain.&nbsp; I ride my Harley behind a semi
without a helmet in
<BR>> a downpour, 'cause I'm a real man.

<P>Wimp. I pump a hand car on the rail systems during hurricanes and play
chicken with freight trains. I win. In the summer I drive back and forth
across Death Valley with the windows up and the air off just to 'warm up'.

<P>> I just bought 10 years worth of season tickets for the Denver Nuggets,
<BR>> 'cause I'm a real man.

<P>The front four of the Denver Broncos use me for blocking practice.&nbsp;
All at once.&nbsp; I win.

<P>> Please explain how you jam gears down the street in your ATX. You
also
<BR>> probably use the pansy power windows of your SHO.&nbsp; I put hand
cranks in,
<BR>> 'cause I'm a real man.

<P>Pussy. When I need fresh air I reach up and peel the roof back.</UL>
which, of course, promped the following brief message, which more or less
ended the thread.
<UL>Oh, you wussies!! I eat fresh fruit WITHOUT WASHING IT FIRST and I
drink my Chardonnay AT ROOM TEMPERATURE because I'm a REAL MAN!!</UL>
The original author has, so far, kept up his promise of not posting again
to the list.

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